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portmaster_BSDforge.com added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

The general solution is to make it easy in the installer to select from a few presets for all of these that will give the desired behaviour. At a previous DevSummit, there was talk of having a Linux-user-friendly port that would provide a bunch of these as a simple installable option. That seems a far better place to focus effort than a bikeshed discussion about whether we like less or more for one specific use.

Wed, Dec 13, 5:52 PM · manpages
theraven added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

I don't have an exhaustive list, and even if we fix all of them in the base system, there will be others in ports. This is why we have things like $PAGER - to avoid needing to hard-code defaults. If the project believes that less is a better default pager than more then we should modify /etc/profile or something to set PAGER=less, not go and modify all of the tools by hand to use less (and if there are any tools that don't respect $PAGER, $EDITOR and so on then they are buggy and should be fixed).

Wed, Dec 13, 3:44 PM · manpages
asomers added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

Good point, @theraven . Which other programs' default pagers should match man's? I count apropos, ftp, mail, makewhatis, mandoc, msgs, ntpq, ntp-keygen, ntpd, ntpdc, sntp, freebsd-update, and mergemaster . Am I leaving any out?

Wed, Dec 13, 3:41 PM · manpages
theraven added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

I can't help feeling that this poll is really asking the wrong question. There are a bunch of things like this, for example:

Wed, Dec 13, 11:17 AM · manpages

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dhw added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

FWIW, I've had occasion to use man a few times on serial consoles (among other environments). IIRC, the main reason I switched the PAGER for myself was because (at the time), when more reached the end of the data, it would exit; that made searching backwards from the end rather challenging.

Tue, Dec 12, 9:26 PM · manpages
woodsb02 added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

I have voted for a move to less being the default, because I like the extra features it provides and it also likely what new users coming to FreeBSD would expect.

Tue, Dec 12, 8:38 PM · manpages
asomers added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

Yes, I'll put an entry in UPDATING and in the release notes, too.

Tue, Dec 12, 7:53 PM · manpages
portmaster_BSDforge.com added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

FWIW I too am big on sticking to POLA. But (personally) in this case I'd be up for the change
(enhancement) providing there was an item added in UPDATING, with the directions to reverse
it, and make that reversal stick.

Tue, Dec 12, 7:47 PM · manpages
asomers added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

From a quick test with BHyve's virtual serial port, less and more seem pretty much the same. The usual differences apply of course, but scrolling up and down and searching work the same with both pagers.

Tue, Dec 12, 7:42 PM · manpages
pete_nomadlogic.org added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

I'm in the leave it as it camp - although one question I have is how will this effect interactions via serial console? I've had multiple devices I interact with via serial console where using "less" as my pager is not really an enjoyable experience. These are mostly devices running some form of linux tho...

Tue, Dec 12, 7:31 PM · manpages
dhw added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

I've had 'PAGER=less' since before 2009/09/24 22:42:36 (earliest revision of ~/.cshrc I have) -- quite possibly since before my first experience with FreeBSD per se (which would have been 1998), as I used BSDi and SunOS before that.

Tue, Dec 12, 7:21 PM · manpages
cem added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

Here are a few differences I observe. Testing methodology: PAGER="[more|less] -s" man cam.

Tue, Dec 12, 6:34 PM · manpages
rb_gid.co.uk added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

"...less is much better than more. It has search highlighting, ...

Tue, Dec 12, 6:21 PM · manpages
asomers added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

Good question, @theraven . I'm not aware of any comprehensive list of differences. The only way to know for sure is grep less_is_more contrib/less/*

Tue, Dec 12, 6:12 PM · manpages
theraven added a comment to V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.

What are the changes? I've only ever used less on GNU systems where the more install is ancient and doesn't support scrolling up. I have no opinion if I'm not going to notice the difference, but without knowing what the 'few things less does differently' are I'd vote no to avoid surprises.

Tue, Dec 12, 6:06 PM · manpages
asomers created V7: Should man(1)'s default pager change to "less -s"?.
Tue, Dec 12, 6:02 PM · manpages

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May 31 2017

danfe closed D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1) by committing rS319274: - Add a simple example to uname(1) manual page to show how the hardware.
May 31 2017, 3:44 AM · manpages
bjk accepted D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).
May 31 2017, 3:17 AM · manpages
danfe updated the diff for D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

Catch up with the latest review.

May 31 2017, 3:09 AM · manpages
bjk added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

manpages here, just a couple grammar nits.

May 31 2017, 2:43 AM · manpages

May 30 2017

danfe added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

OK, so I guess we'd need another review from manpages now...

May 30 2017, 9:28 AM · manpages

May 26 2017

imp added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

OK, let's see if I understood you correctly this time Warner. make(1) is indeed apparently setting MACHINE and MACHINE_ARCH globally.

May 26 2017, 11:35 PM · manpages

May 25 2017

danfe added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

OK, let's see if I understood you correctly this time Warner. make(1) is indeed apparently setting MACHINE and MACHINE_ARCH globally.

May 25 2017, 6:55 PM · manpages
danfe updated the diff for D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).
May 25 2017, 6:52 PM · manpages

May 16 2017

imp added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

Strictly speaking, you are correct, but man pages often have references elsewhere, and having it here wouldn't be terrible.

Understood, fair enough. Would .Xr build 7 reference suffice (it already establishes a connection between variables and uname -[mp] output there), or you'd rather duplicate this information explicitly here as well?

May 16 2017, 3:53 PM · manpages
bjk added inline comments to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).
May 16 2017, 2:15 AM · manpages

May 15 2017

danfe added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

Strictly speaking, you are correct, but man pages often have references elsewhere, and having it here wouldn't be terrible.

May 15 2017, 6:25 PM · manpages
imp added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

Guys, I don't entirely understand how TARGET/MACHINE and/or TARGET/MACHINE_ARCH come into play here: this patch is about uname(1) only; these variables are not referenced anywhere in its sources, and are partially (?) documented in build(7). Can you elaborate a bit?

May 15 2017, 5:27 PM · manpages
danfe added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

So, shall we proceed with this? Still pending review from manpages...

May 15 2017, 5:18 PM · manpages

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Apr 25 2017

rpokala added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).
In D10489#217460, @imp wrote:

If "platform" (-m) and "processor architecture" (-p) are the same as the TARGET and TARGET_ARCH, then it would be great to include that too.

They are MACHINE and MACHINE_ARCH which are universal, please document them as such. The build man page already gives the translation for the TARGET and TARGET_ARCH which only have meaning in Makefile.inc1 (eg, the top level of buildworld where they are used to set MACHINE and MACHINE_ARCH).

Apr 25 2017, 2:24 PM · manpages
danfe added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

Guys, I don't entirely understand how TARGET/MACHINE and/or TARGET/MACHINE_ARCH come into play here: this patch is about uname(1) only; these variables are not referenced anywhere in its sources, and are partially (?) documented in build(7). Can you elaborate a bit?

Apr 25 2017, 1:27 PM · manpages
imp added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

If "platform" (-m) and "processor architecture" (-p) are the same as the TARGET and TARGET_ARCH, then it would be great to include that too.

Apr 25 2017, 1:13 PM · manpages
rpokala added a comment to D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).

If "platform" (-m) and "processor architecture" (-p) are the same as the TARGET and TARGET_ARCH, then it would be great to include that too.

Apr 25 2017, 6:48 AM · manpages
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Apr 25 2017, 4:17 AM · manpages
danfe created D10489: Add EXAMPLES section to uname(1).
Apr 25 2017, 4:12 AM · manpages

Apr 16 2017

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Apr 16 2017, 5:24 PM

Mar 10 2017

jlh closed D9902: Add 4 columns binary ascii table by committing rS314995: Add a very natural, binary version of the ASCII table..
Mar 10 2017, 9:58 AM · manpages
jlh updated the diff for D9902: Add 4 columns binary ascii table.

Fix bcr@'s request.

Mar 10 2017, 9:54 AM · manpages

Mar 6 2017

eadler accepted D9902: Add 4 columns binary ascii table.
Mar 6 2017, 9:27 PM · manpages
bcr added a comment to D9902: Add 4 columns binary ascii table.

Don't forget to bump the document date.

Mar 6 2017, 8:41 PM · manpages

Mar 5 2017

jlh retitled D9902: Add 4 columns binary ascii table from to Add 4 columns binary ascii table.
Mar 5 2017, 4:23 PM · manpages

Jan 17 2017

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Jan 17 2017, 5:01 PM

Dec 5 2016

sevan abandoned D8593: update for wpa_cli(8).

Continue the review in D8691

Dec 5 2016, 2:22 PM · manpages

Dec 2 2016

fnoyanisi_yahoo.com added a comment to D8593: update for wpa_cli(8).

Added D8691 with an updated patch

Dec 2 2016, 8:33 AM · manpages
fnoyanisi_yahoo.com added a dependent revision for D8593: update for wpa_cli(8): D8691: wpa_cli.8 manual page update revision.
Dec 2 2016, 8:24 AM · manpages

Nov 21 2016

bjk added inline comments to D8593: update for wpa_cli(8).
Nov 21 2016, 7:27 AM · manpages
sevan updated the diff for D8593: update for wpa_cli(8).
Nov 21 2016, 1:10 AM · manpages