Switch C.UTF-8 as the default locales

[cem]

Caveat: I am mostly unfamiliar with login.conf. There seems to be an extra space on the umask line between : and \. Otherwise, the change looks good to me.

[bapt]

Remove unneeded extra space

[0mp]

Great news!

This probably deserves a RELNOTES entry.

[emaste]

This probably deserves a RELNOTES entry.

Yeah, we definitely want that, also a link to info on C.UTF-8 and a brief indication of other systems that also use it.

[slw_zxy.spb.ru]

Is vi ready for preserver files not-complained to UTF?

[trasz]

+1

[freebsd_igalic.co]

👍

[imp]

Sure smells a lot like overwhelming consensus...

[gallatin]

After this change, perl freaks out like this:

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "C.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
panic: locale.c: 4560: Could not change LC_CTYPE locale to C.UTF-8, errno=22

Is this expected? This is perl5-5.32.0

Thanks

[gallatin]

In D26973#609585, @gallatin wrote:

After this change, perl freaks out like this:

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "C.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
panic: locale.c: 4560: Could not change LC_CTYPE locale to C.UTF-8, errno=22

Is this expected? This is perl5-5.32.0

Thanks

My issue appears to have been caused by building with WITHOUT_LOCALES=YES. Removing that makes perl happy again. Sort of odd that nothing else cared.

[freebsd_igalic.co]

In D26973#609750, @gallatin wrote:

My issue appears to have been caused by building with WITHOUT_LOCALES=YES. Removing that makes perl happy again. Sort of odd that nothing else cared.

should we add a note to src.conf(5) then?

[vangyzen]

In D26973#609750, @gallatin wrote:

In D26973#609585, @gallatin wrote:

After this change, perl freaks out like this:

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "C.UTF-8"

are supported and installed on your system.

perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
panic: locale.c: 4560: Could not change LC_CTYPE locale to C.UTF-8, errno=22

Is this expected? This is perl5-5.32.0

Thanks

My issue appears to have been caused by building with WITHOUT_LOCALES=YES. Removing that makes perl happy again. Sort of odd that nothing else cared.

Maybe we should either (1) install the C.UTF-8 locale unconditionally, even when WITHOUT_LOCALES=YES, or (2) set LANG=C when WITHOUT_LOCALES=YES. Option 2 would better honor the WITHOUT_LOCALES setting, but I'm not sure how to implement it. Maybe login needs runtime validation of the locale, with a fallback to C.

[imp]

In D26973#609776, @vangyzen wrote:

Maybe we should either (1) install the C.UTF-8 locale unconditionally, even when WITHOUT_LOCALES=YES, or (2) set LANG=C when WITHOUT_LOCALES=YES. Option 2 would better honor the WITHOUT_LOCALES setting, but I'm not sure how to implement it. Maybe login needs runtime validation of the locale, with a fallback to C.

I think the former is preferable. UTF-8 really isn't a locale. It's fundamentally different than all the other locales in that it's universal...

[jamie_catflap.org]

Ahh... So this is why my locale setting is no longer passed through between boxes.

A shame login.conf doesn't have a "?=" type option setting so that pre-defined settings (in this case, via ssh/sshd) aren't clobbered!